Dream Interpretation Station
Dream Interpretation Station
38 Years of Dream Wisdom with Author Sandi Madison
Leah talks with author of the book Diving Before Dawn, Sandi Madison about decades of dream journaling, the playful language of symbols, and how dreams can comfort and guide us. They explore using art when words fall short, spotting meaning in everyday life, and rekindling trust in what the night delivers. If you’ve ever wondered whether a dream fragment matters, this is your nudge that it does.
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It's like you have an inner navigation system surveying the landscape of your life and charting your best potential, and all you have to do is sleep. Ready to make the most of it? Let's get dreaming. Welcome to the dream interpretation station. I'm sleeping dream specialist Leah Bolin, here to help you tune in to the power and meaning of your nighttime dreams. Today I'm being joined by a fellow dream weaver, Sandy Madison. She's author of a new book titled Diving Before Dawn. Sandy's faithfully kept a dream journal for over 54 years. At the age of 16, she became intrigued by the metaphorical language of dreams, beginning to document their insights. She taught herself techniques for dream recall and interpretation. During the COVID-19 lockdowns, she spent time reviewing 38 years of her dream journals. And that became the inspiration and material from which her book was born. Sandy currently lives in Bellingham, Washington. I am so pleased to be having this conversation with you. Welcome, Sandy. Thanks, Leah.
SPEAKER_02:I'm really honored to be on your show.
SPEAKER_01:Well, it is such a rare thing that I meet another who has been so committed to their dream relationship. I started journaling my dreams quite young, but you at even a younger age, at 16, you began your dream journals. And you share in your book that it was a bit of a fluke that opened you up to the value of dreams. Would you share a little bit of that story with the listeners?
SPEAKER_02:Sure. Well, I had recently moved from uh California in the Bay Area up to Washington State in a really rural area. And so it was it was a really big change. And my grandparents had come to visit, and they were of the they're very religious, very Southern Baptist Hellfire and Brimstone religious. And they were worried about me and my brothers and sisters because we weren't as adhering to the Southern Baptist faith as they were. And so I remember the night before I had the dream, my grandparents were there and they were like just very, very insistent and and in my face about there's only one way, and it's the Lord Jesus Christ, your Savior. And so I had that, I had a dream, and I woke up the next morning and I went to school, and I hadn't completed my assignment. And so it was like it was a creative writing class, and we were supposed to come up with a short story, and I hadn't done it, and I was kind of frantic. And so I just thought I remembered my dream, it was so vivid. I just wrote my dream out verbatim. And I was shocked when I got my um I got my assignment back from my teacher the next day, and it had like an A plus on it, and she was like over the top about how great it was because all the metaphor in it and everything. And I was like, oh my God, I felt I was such a rebel. And I thought, oh, this is awesome. You know, I didn't even put any conscious thought into it. It was, it just, it just came out, and then I started to realize that you know, dreams are metaphorical, and there's a lot of information. And what really struck me was the dream was about my older brother and I, it was like it had in the context of the dream, we were in very prehistoric times, and we were traveling to a new home, and we had found a valley that um to settle in, and uh we found a cave that we were entering, and my brother and I were carrying our elders on a leader, and it was a wicker leader that there that was disintegrating as we carried them into this new place to um to call home, and I was questioning the validity of their authority, and so you know, it was a dream that was kind of what was happening in my life at the time. I'm a teenager, and you know, I just moved and I was just kind of wondering about, you know, I'm looking and examining the world around me and trying to figure out what's real for me.
SPEAKER_01:Isn't that amazing? Did you uh at that age in the moment start to reflect on the meaning of the dream, or only later were you able to reflect into that?
SPEAKER_02:No, I got the meaning of the dream right away because I've really felt that I had always questioned the authority that my grandparents had and whether or not it was a reality for me.
SPEAKER_01:Gotcha. You know, it's such an interesting full circle moment in a way for you to now have taken what first was using a dream verbatim as a paper. And now you have on some level a whole book that is verbatim dreams that you've added commentary and insight to, but isn't that interesting?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you know, it is interesting because I I had at one point someone told me, Oh, you know, um you you may end up writing a book, and I thought, oh, you gotta be kidding. Like I never write, I never write anything. Occasionally I'll write a poem or I'll be inspired. You know, I write in my journal, but I'm not really, I don't do it all the time, you know. And so I just thought that was hilarious. But I did make a remark to them. I said, Oh, well, the only thing that I could ever even think that I would imagine of doing would be writing my dreams because I write them consistently, right? But I've never thought of myself as a writer, I'm a recorder, you know, it's like my dreams come to me and then I just pull them back and I just write them out, you know, and and one of probably the first thing that I really learned was um no matter how crazy they are, just to record it. So if they come back, if I'm lucky enough to pull them back in, because every single day I'm still amazed when I can pull a dream back. I mean, it totally amazes me because you can so quickly be out of like you just wake up and instantly they're gone. And so it's it, you know, I'm always grateful when that happens. And even though I've been doing it for a long time, I um I still consider myself a novice in in so many ways. And I never um, I'm just always grateful when I can pull them back.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you speak a bit in your book towards the end about uh the remembering of dreams and how you actually consider each morning how you are drifting awake. So rather than just collapse into that wake-focused thinking, which is so easy for us to do, that you reclose your eyes, you stay in that groggy state. I too have found that is such a huge part of why I am able to journal a dream most every morning, is I resist that desire to just go wake-focused and leave behind what was just happening, and just being in that groggy state with your eyes closed, even if just a flash of one thing can pop back in that you were just doing, you have something to reel in and reel in. And before I know it, yeah, I'm ending up journaling three or four pages of a dream that I would have said, Oh, I didn't have a dream if I'd not given that space.
SPEAKER_02:Exactly. And that's exactly what it feels like too. And a lot of times, and I learned, you know, early on that it's also to key in on the emotion of it, like that's the feeling of it. I just close my eyes and try to pull back, like what did that feel like? Where was I just floating around a little bit ago, right? Like what just happened? And and so just trying to get those glimpses, you know, pulled back in. And um, and then sometimes too, like I've had I've had times where, and I'm sure you have also, where you're you know, halfway through the day and and something happens and it just triggers, and you're like, oh my god, I dreamed that last night, and then all of a sudden it just floods back, like just like you just opened the faucet and it just got turned on, you know. It's like, you know, and and I always love that. I I love those um opportunities too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I say to people when that happens, something did just click back to what that dream was likely related to, and it's not as if we ever truly lost the dreams, they're just not as available to our waking conscious mind, but the right thing can trigger it right back in. It's like a floodgate. Here I am, and that's a beautiful moment. Yes. You in your book also make it so clear that you've given merit even to those dreams that many would just say, ah, that's not enough to even hold on to or care about, but clearly you journaled them. Maybe just a dream where you were flooded with a color, or a dream where you saw a particular shape, or a dream uh that maybe you don't even remember the dream, but you woke up, you were thinking something or hearing a song. This is so wonderful that you illustrate through your book how even those occurrences you at least wrote them down, and then sometimes we're able to write a fair amount about how you could use that in your life.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I think I think that's the value of dream journaling, you know. It's uh you are able to pull access so much information, things that I never would have even um you know thought about. Like there's different sections in my book. I try to um there's different headings where I took the dreams and categorized them as you know, certain types of dreams because you could see the maturation over 38 years in certain areas. So I thought that was kind of fun. And but at the same time, those small little dreams that you think may not have any value or consequence, a lot of times they just you know they open up for me. I'm curious about everything, and when I get information in dreams, it piques my interest, and then I just want to go explore like where did that come from? Like, like one of the dreams is just really short. I woke up with a name, Edith Chow, and I'm like, Edith Chow, like where did that come from? Right? Like it just that was it, that was going through my mind when I woke up from my dream, and I'm like, that's weird. But I've always been fascinated by names, always, and um, I love the meaning of names. Like when I was nine years old, I found out the meaning of my name, and I took it to heart. And um, I worked with students for 32 years in a high school and uh as a career and guidance, uh, a career and college counselor, and um I had large groups of kids that hung out with me all the time at lunch and stuff, and I was always getting them interested in like, well, what's the meaning of your name? And so I had this dream, it said Edith Chow. And when I looked it up, the meaning of Edith and Chow meant, you know, blessings. And I was like, wow, that's cool. You know what I mean? Like, you know, I love it, I love it when my subconscious is working overtime, right? Trying to give me some, you know, uh something to think about and in a good direction.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, isn't that amazing? And sometimes the information may have been something we picked up along the way and didn't even consciously gather. And then it does seem that other times we may have information that comes through that's part of the great oneness of knowledge, part of the universal knowledge base that we all perhaps have a connection to.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, I agree with you 100%. And I think that's what's just so beautiful about being able to um, you know, record it. And a lot of times I will record dreams and then I won't even look back at them for like a week or so, and then I'm like, I don't, I'm like, I I had that dream. You know what I mean? And then it'll become it'll come into context, you know, like so this is hilarious. So, in the process of writing this book, right? So, in my my book, my dreams only go through 2020, and now it's 2025. Well, last year in October, I had a dream about, well, first off, I'd been really challenged trying to publish the book because it's a nonfiction book and I don't have a platform, right? And every and if you try to approach anyone, they all want to know, you know, are you a known quantity? How many people are following you, you know, all this stuff. And I'm like, I don't have a platform. And so I was running into this brick wall about the whole platform thing, and I lived over two periods of time, I've lived 18 years off the grid. And most recently, I lived six years off the grid after my husband died in a cabin with no electricity, and I so I I'm so not into technology, it's beyond belief. And here I am having to have like a platform, and so I was very resistant to it, and I had this dream that I was with friends in a huge city, and we were like shopping, and I'm not a huge shopper, but I usually do tag along with my friends and just kind of looky look, right? So it was a shoe shop, and I was wanting, I was thinking, oh, these are cool, and so I was looking at shoes, and there's a red pair of shoes I really wanted, but I have a feet problem. My my feet are really hard to fit with shoes, and they it never would have worked, and then I found another pair, and nah they wouldn't have worked either. Then I realized I need a pair of um knee-high boots that go um with skirts and dresses, and so I tell the lady, sales lady, like, oh I know I need some um boots, and she goes, Oh, well, she goes up and she reaches way up on the top shelf to a platform that I'd never be able to uh shelf, I could I'd never be able to reach. And she pulls down these pair of boots, and they're these giant platform boots, and I'm just disgusted. I'm looking at them going, oh my god, they're hideous. I would never wear something like that. And I'm looking at her, going, Oh, don't you have anything else? And she says, Oh no, these are the most popular um, you know, shoes right now. And I'm like, and I was so disappointed. Well, I woke up from that dream and I was like, wow, I really had an aversion to that. Like, I was repulsed by those shoes. And then I was like, is that because uh there's something there I need to look at? You know, uh, because I started training myself at one point in that when I have a really strong reaction, that's it's information I need to look at and and decide, is that really something that's true for me? You know, was I of my aversion to it, was that because I didn't feel it doesn't feel authentic to me, or is it because I'm not even giving it a chance? I just have already made a judgment. And so I really wrestled with that for a while, and then I had another dream the next night about uh an acquaintance of mine who it always consistently shoots everything down as soon as somebody gives a suggestion to her conundrum, she just machine guns it and doesn't even have give it the time of day. So in the dream, she was in my house and she had her stuff everywhere, and I was going, oh, I have to get her stuff out of my house. And then I realized, oh my goodness, that's related to that platform dream. And when I wrote that dream out about the shoes, I just you know, I pulled it back, I wrote it out, and as soon as I got to the part where it said platform boots, I I just started laughing hysterical. Like, oh my god, Sandy, you are such an aversion to having a platform.
SPEAKER_01:So amazing. Our dreams love puns, and sometimes because you wake up and you are in the dream in your mind, you're not even catching that here you are before going to bed, so focused on I'm supposed to have this huge platform, and then your dream plays with the idea of platform in this very specific way tied to shoes, right? Which is the way we proceed, the way we walk, the way we we um get around, and you then so wisely didn't assume what the dream necessarily was helping you come to terms with, because we could just say, Oh, yep, the dream is confirming, that's not for me, and yet you wanted to really understand what is my aversion. Did I even give them a shot? And then you have that follow-up dream. That is so beautiful how our dreams are always along for the ride, helping us evolve as we evolve and help us get a reflection. If we pay attention, I'm always of the belief you didn't have to pay attention on some level that dream was helping you consolidate and integrate that information. But how wonderful when we turbocharge the work of the dreams to say, ah, I'm gonna look at what my dream mind is helping me process here. I love that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and I think that you know, a lot of times, you know, that is the case. I mean, there was a point in time where um I tried to keep a day journal and dream journal simultaneously because I was trying to figure out how they were all related. That was like way back in the 80s, you know. And I went through a lot of uh different kinds of journal renditions. In fact, I'm just getting ready, I'm putting a PowerPoint presentation together for a book um talk that I'm doing. And, you know, I don't consider myself a dream expert. I mean, I just feel confident in how to interpret my dreams. And, you know, sometimes I'm so close to it, like you're saying, I I don't even see what it's telling me. And and you know, I might have a conversation with my sister, and she'll make a comment, and I'm like, oh, there you go. You're right. That's where I need to be looking. You know, so um, but when I in my little presentation, I I found some of my journals. My first journals when I was living back in the 70s for 12 years, I lived off the grid. And um my husband and I homesteaded and we didn't have electricity and stuff for like 12 years. And so I wake up in the morning pulling my dreams back, and we just had kerosene lanterns, and I wouldn't turn a lantern on when I first woke up. So I have I had like about nine months of dream journals where I'm where I'm writing in the dark, and I'm just writing them out and I'm writing in the dark, and then I and then you look at the writing, and it's going uphill, and sentences are going over each other. It's it's indecipherable, right? But I was training myself to recall those dreams and write them out, and even though I couldn't go back and review them, I still was training myself.
SPEAKER_01:Right. You were telling your subconscious mind, I'm interested. And so often, people who are confused, why don't I remember my dreams? I don't think I dream, they will admit there's times they sense they might have been dreaming or they might have a fragment, but there takes a very specific willingness to care about what was just happening to stick with that. What do you think is the main why for you? What has really allowed you to not stop wanting to do this? That's a many years of journaling dreams, some of which you work with, some of which you just wrote down. What do you think is the main thing that has kept you in that relationship with your dreams?
SPEAKER_02:Probably in a lot of ways, I've known that I've um had precognitive dreams since you know I was young. So just knowing that they've had like this tremendous impact on me, um, that there's something that's really, really valuable there. And a lot of them I feel are um very strong guidance for how to navigate through things, you know, and so that's one, and then I just get I get I have weird dreams that just come to me with pieces of information that I'm just curious about, and then I start exploring, and it opens up like interesting information about life, you know, things that I never would have thought about. And I'm a I would say I'm an introspective person by nature, and I've even gotten to the place where I've worked with my dreams for so long now that a lot of times I'll crack myself up. I like to pretend sometimes that my waking life is a dream, and so I'll uh review the day and I'll you know say, oh well, if if if this was, if I was dreaming, you know what I mean, what would this have meant? You know, what's the symbolism of this, right? So I've just always I'd say probably since that first time that the teacher pointed out to me that these dreams were very metaphorical and symbolic. I would say that um that is what keeps me going, is like, you know, what does that mean?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's wonderful. I love also the idea that life is but a dream and we always have symbolism and stories and metaphors potentially coming through in what we consider this wake rational world. Um, but when we are opening our eyes to the symbolic around us, uh, and your dreams have helped train you to be willing to look at not only the stories that came through in the night, but the stories right in front of you as you live through the day. That's so beautiful. For your book, you share in categories, you share dream examples through various ages that seem to align to that category of type of dream, and then you give what is context for what in your waking life this could have been tied to, or how you dissect or decipher or analyze those uh analyses that you did, were most of those done at the time you had the dreams, or were you in many cases reflecting now into what that could have meant? I'm curious about that.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, no, that's a great question. I would say about half and half. Yeah, um, kind of looking through, like I said, like during the the pandemic, I had just moved and I'd been collecting my dream journals. I every time I would finish one, I'd throw it in this like old black clothes hamper. And um, they've been there for 38 years. And when I moved, I, you know, I'm like, oh my god, here they are, they're all in this clothes hamper. I uh being isolated, um, I just you know spent a whole summer reading through those. And a lot of those dreams, you know, half of them I would say uh I knew what they meant when when I had them, but then there were others that especially a lot of the ones that are precognitive because you would have no idea that they're a precognitive dream until after the event has happened. And then you look back, and then I mean I would be stunned, you know, just stunned that it was something that I had had uh had received information about. And and one of the areas, um I mean, I lost my husband 12 years ago suddenly, and it was completely unexpected. And when I went through the dream journals, uh he died in 2013. In 2010, I had uh I was impulse before he died, I was impulsed to start taking um responsibility for things that I had always let other people take care of. Um, just you know, in every area of my life I started looking at that. I started looking at, oh wow, you know, I had my own car, but I always figured that it was my husband's job to check the oil. Right? And I'm like, I need to do that. That's my car, I need to take responsibility for it. I had a nursery and we had a separate uh pump system, a water well for my a plant nursery, and a water well for the house. And he always managed the the house, one made sure that it was uh you know maintenance, and I just expected that he was supposed to take care of my other one. And I'm like, it's that's my well that I need. It's you know, it's not for the house, it's for my stuff. I need to take care of it. And uh just you know, things how I started looking at how I um didn't take responsibility for stuff, and then I made an effort to to try to to be more active that way, and then you know, and then my husband died, and I was like completely responsible for everything. Yes, and it was interesting that I had had the urge to start doing that before it even happened, yes, and you share in your book a dream that had you considering that really. Yes, and there was a whole series of dreams. If I look back at the vast majority of the dreams that I had in 2010 were preparing me for my next stage, they prepared me in so many ways of like how how I was gonna be alone, you know, um, the the level of um, you know, just learning to navigate in a completely foreign environment, you know, just all these things that when I look back on it, I'm like, wow, yeah, you know, having had and I like I know that a lot of times the um dreams will you get to work things out in a dream uh before they ever even happen. It could be just even in any situation, it could be relationally, you know, in any or a a fear that you might have, but you know, those type of things you get to work scenarios out in your brain when you're sleeping. And I felt like a lot of the that that was uh on a larger scale for me.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that is so right. I have so many examples of my own of where I see how a dream was helping me step up into the moment in a much more maybe graceful or strong way than I would have had I not had the dream because I was paying attention to the dream. I got to maybe enhance how that work was being done because we do still wake up with belief patterns and thought patterns and paradigms that can override the work of the dream. But many, if not every one of us, has certainly woke with just a new sense of feeling or strength or assurance, and we may not even have remembered why, but that dream was probably a part of that. Throughout the book, there's certainly numerous dreams that show the processing of that transition and that loss that you went through, having experienced losing your husband of 38 years. And so many people, when I work with them on dreams, want to have a dream of a deceased loved one. And there's this idea that that's always a beautiful thing. And certainly within your book, you share some examples of dreams where maybe it was beautiful while you were in the dream, but then you woke up and it's back to the lost because they're not there, or the dream itself was not a pleasant seeming dream. What do you think's one of maybe the biggest things you've learned from a dream of your husband that was in the dream? And do you believe in spiritual visitation dreams? Do you believe you've had a spiritual visitation dream?
SPEAKER_02:I don't know about spiritual visitation dreams. Um, I mean, in a sense, like I think a lot of Them are spiritual. I mean, because the the essence of the person that you're dreaming about is coming to you, you know, and how you're connected to them in some way. You know, most of the dreams have been about the um, you know, processing, you know, you know, part of it's been about processing the loss. I mean, that's the that's the you know, the hard part is like not having that presence there with you on a daily basis, you know, or that level of strength, you know, like he was an anchor for me in so many ways. His passing, I felt very the way that it all came together was one of the most remarkable uh experiences of my life. Was um he was an amazing man, and we had four weeks together when we knew he was dying. And he was just so amazing. He wasn't afraid of death. And uh we sat there shoulder to shoulder, just like having these conversations about, oh my God, you know, this at first we didn't know he was dying, and I'm like, you know, this could be your near-death experience and it's gonna be transformational. And then I said, or it could be your death experience and it's gonna be transformational, you know, and then he's looking at me going, and we're like, yeah, you know, we've been together for 38 years, but here we're and when we knew he was dying, then he's like, he was he was actually excited about what was on the other side, and we talked about that a lot. And then he was he was worried about me because you know, I didn't get to take the trip with him. And he, you know, and here we are, we've been together all this time, but we don't know, you know, now we're off on a different journey. And I had a very strong feeling that that we had made an agreement in this lifetime that this is how we would part with each other because of the lessons I needed to learn about taking responsibility for myself and being on my own. And uh, and I think a lot of those dreams that I had before he died prepared me to have that be able to embrace what was happening to me at that level and uh and understand it from a larger perspective, you know. I mean, like there isn't, I still miss him, you know. I still have in my waking life, I still have moments where I'm overwhelmed with grief.
SPEAKER_01:I can only imagine I'm 36 years married at this point, and I'm emotional just seeing you talk about such a beautiful uh way you were able to engage during that period of time that you were living into the reality of having a short amount of time left together, but how beautiful that your dream life was so a part of the preparation and continues to be a part of how you move through now in this stage of your life. I would encourage anyone who's interested in developing a relationship with their own dreams to get a copy of your book. I love the title. What made you come up with that particular title? Diving Before Dawn makes so much sense, but where did that come from?
SPEAKER_02:Well, when I was uh trying to figure out which titles had already come and gone, you know, I spent quite a bit of time looking up title things, you know, Diving Before Dawn. I probably dreamed it because I was writing stuff out, and originally it was going to be called Diving Before Dawn, a dream collage, because I always knew that I wanted to include artwork. And the book has 33 original pieces of artwork from uh friends and family and some of my own photographs and stuff, and I knew I wanted to do that, and then dreams are like a collage, you know, kind of back to the uh conversation earlier where you were talking about how you could have a whole series of dreams in one night. And I started thinking about that in my waking life of if I was to pull back on a whole day of how everything went, you know, um, one scene I'll be at the grocery store talking to the teller. At the at another, I'm walking through the woods, you know. And so, like, if you just had little snippets of each of your little scenarios through the day, it would be kind of like what your dream journal is like of pulling back all these little weird snippets, right?
SPEAKER_01:So true.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and so I just thought I thought of dreams as a collage, but then when I uh I was working with this wonderful woman, Cheryl Stretzel McCarthy, who um helped me edit the book. She was wonderful, and um she she gave me some information, um, a suggestion that um you know it's really important in your title that you have it be very descriptive somewhat of what the book's about. And I thought, yeah, uh Diving Before Dawn and Dream Collage isn't as a as descriptive as a dream exploration, so that it's a little more specific. Yeah, and so yeah, I appreciated her input on that. Um, but yeah, that's how I kind of came up with the the title.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, and they are some wonderful examples of ways we can look at art through uh the dream as a muse, and certainly another way people can work with their dreams. Uh, I certainly have sat down with dreamers who were struggling with a symbol or a particular idea in the dream. It's hard sometimes to bring that into language, but by just grabbing a piece of paper and something to draw with and helping themselves just get that onto the piece of paper. Something clicks in. That's a whole new way of looking at the dream. It's probably fun to see your own collection of artwork that came through these artists regarding your dreams.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it was. And like um, my friend Carrie Voorhees, who um has a lot of the art in there, uh, she specifically made some pieces of artwork specific for dreams, some of the dreams there, and then some were other ones that just fit perfect. Yeah, I was like, oh my god, that's like it couldn't have exemplified that any more profoundly.
SPEAKER_01:That's so wonderful. Yeah, so that was fun. How can uh share a little bit about how can people learn more about you and your book? Do you have a website? How did you like people to find you?
SPEAKER_02:Well, I embraced having a platform. And so I created a website and it's just sandymadison.com and it's sandy with an eye. So it's just sandymadison.com. And uh there's um information on the website about my story, the book, uh, how to order it. I would recommend that if you're going to uh order a paperback version of the book, that you go through the book baby website. It's a discounted uh price, so you can have the uh paperback version for you know, I think it's like$19.96.
SPEAKER_01:If there were anything you would want to share with others on their journey that may be interested in their dreams, but maybe haven't quite started, truly embracing what it means to have intentionality of giving time, especially in the morning, to remember the dream, let alone to then write down something about the dream, consider the dream. What would you want them to think about?
SPEAKER_02:You know, take the first step, just like anything that you do. I've learned through my life that anything that I really want to accomplish, I have to do one minuscule thing every day to work towards it, you know, even if it just seems inane. Probably the two most important things to have next to your bedside for I wake up early and it's usually still dark out, um, would be to have some type of a soft light. Um, right now I have a lamp that has it's a you just it's a touch lamp, you touch it, and it has a really, really soft light first, um, just so that you're not jolted awake, um, but you could still kind of see something to write with. For me personally, um, I like writing my dreams down. I know that with new technology, there's people that you know record them, and that might be easier for you. It, you know, you don't have to open your eyes, you know, you just lay there and just start pulling it back. Um, but find you know, a way to record it that's really comfortable and easy for you, and just have it right next to your bedside and just you know, make the intention of valuing what comes to you, you know.
SPEAKER_01:Yes, well, you certainly have been a great example of valuing your dreamscape. And I'm so glad that you were so open with your stories, with your dreams in this particular book. And it's been so nice to meet you, Sandy, and spend some time with you. Thanks for sharing with our listeners here, and I am wishing you the sweetest of dreams.
SPEAKER_02:Thank you, Leah. I it's been such a joy to get to meet you, and I love how you work with people. You know, I heard you on Katherine Bell's The Dream Journal, and then I listened to your podcast, and I just think that you, you know, you have an absolutely lovely way of working with people and to help them come to their own understanding of what their dreams are. Like, you know, you remind me of of like my sister when I'm like stuck, right? You know, and so that's awesome. I love it.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, well, thank you so much. Be sure to check out the website as well as get your own copy of the book. You can find those links in the description of this podcast. Until the next time, I am wishing you the sweetest of dreams.
SPEAKER_00:No dream dream. Oh, you're your sleep, you will touch the sky in this night. Maybe you'll support you.
